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GAZ Tiger- From Russia With Love?; Meng Model 1/35
Topic Started: May 19 2014, 05:59 PM (15,669 Views)
Karl187
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Since the last update I've managed to get pretty much everything in place in the lower hull.

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The rest of the storage and detail for the interior is attached to the inside of the body frame. I had done a bit of the decaling prior to the last update and got the rest done afterward- I managed to get it all done with only two minor little tears on one decal. They really are nicely done and a perfect fit. Once that was done it was time to add various details like roof lights and wall mounted stowage boxes.

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As you can see from these pics the interior of this vehicle is a fairly busy place but I still wanted to add a few items of stowage. Unfortunately I don't have much in the way of truly modern Russian military kit- a lot of what I have is good up until about the Russo-Georgian War in 2008. To be honest, I can't recall seeing much in the way of models that depict modern Russian gear. So I have gone with what I had that is still useful- a laptop from Verlinden, a tool box (Verlinden I think), an ammo crate from TANK. I still have a bit of work to do on these items and I also have some water and soft drink bottles to add along with maybe a printed paper or something like that.

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I still have a few bits to attach to the interior but it won't be too long until I can get some weathering done on it. Then I'll have to mate the two halves and move on to some more exeterior work.

Many thanks for reading!
Edited by Karl187, Jun 8 2014, 06:05 PM.
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That toolbox looks very authentic, nice work.
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Looks superb. That is a great interior. Marks in Greenogue had two of these in stock last week at €36. Will pick one up next payday if they are still there
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I hope I haven't been Putin anyone off with my delays on updating this build.

...what do you mean that joke just put you right off the thread?

No...come back...I can do better...I promise. I have to stop Russian into these things...

:zip: !

When I last updated I was still working on some of the stowage for the interior of the Tiger. I also had to add some weathering to the inside. I'm planning to put the Tiger in a diorama based on photos from Simferopol. The vehicles there were quite dirty and I reckon the insides would have been too with troops coming in and out. I also used some new 'Ammo' by MiG Jiminez products- they work just like the AK ones do. I first gave both halves of the interior a dark wash before concentrating on the lower interior. I used Dust effects to give the lower interior a film of dirt. I then gave most but not all areas a dusting of AK Earth Pigments before finally mixing Earth effects with wall filler to create some mud which was then spread out in the usual places like footwells and places where the crew would likely be standing. Once it was dry a good bit of the excess was wiped off to leave a nice muddy effect. A pencil then brightened up some of the metal areas.

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Once I was satisfied with the weathering I added some rust and graphite pigments to the toolbox and then added the stowage. The laptop (which will get a decal for the screen eventually, when I print it) went on the passenger seat, the toolbox behind the ammo stand, the ammo box in the seat behind the front passenger seat and some Coke and water bottles (from a Meng pick-up kit) were also added.

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Here's a picture of the upper interior- the only weathering used here was a Dark Wash:

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It was then time to mate the three parts of the vehicle- the undercarriage to the lower hull and then the upper body on top. The fit was pretty good after having sorted that warped area of the upper body that I showed earlier on. The undercarriage needed a bit of coaxing to sit firmly into its place but the upper body went on just fine- basically clicked into place although I did glue it down.

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I have actually finished the rest of the kit construction- mostly adding rails and some details to the body and I will post some pics of that soon. There were also some sub assemblies to sort including the two armaments, wheel hubs and the roof hatch.

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I also plan to do and update regarding the figures that I plan to use in the small dio- I know they aren't strictly part of the GB but they are really cool releases by Blackdog so I will post them up!!

Anyway- as always- thanks for reading.






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Karl,
That interior is first rate work. I too am impressed by the work on the toolboxes.
Well Done :clap:
regards
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Edited by ghengismccann, Jun 20 2014, 06:33 PM.
"....the old men shall cause themselves to be carried into the public squares,
To excite the courage of the warriors, to preach the downfall of Kings,
and announce the glories of the Republic"
Convention of the Republic,Paris, Dec; 1793
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The interior is looking great.
Looks like a very nice build so far.
Did you come across any other issues with the kit apart from the warped area?

No longer a SmellyOgre
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Brilliant stuff!That interior decal / finish would give WW1 german 'lozenge' a run for its money in akwardness!
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Ghengis- many thanks for the comments, I appreciate it :wave: !

Ogre- The only real big issue was that warped bit- the rest of the kit was fine. The overrall fit wasn't as good as I had been expecting from what others have said about Meng but it wasn't too bad- everything did fit- just not with the finesse I thought it would. I reckon Meng will get to that point quicker than other companies based on this kit though.

fs2005-The decals had me concerned, definetly. But I hadn't heard anything negative about them from other builds of the GAZ so I was reckoning Meng had thought it out well and they had- they break it down into easy stages and the quality of the decals themselves really helps them go on great- I only had one minor tear in the process.
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That looks great Karl! You're making great progress....
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Sean- thanks for the encouragement mate! Going to get a bit slower again though- time for paint as you'll soon see.

I said last time I would do a post about the figures I plan to put with the GAZ. They are a recent release by Blackdog called 'Little Green Men' representing the...ahem...

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...that were present during the annexation of Crimea. Individually they are lovely sculpts- they capture the shape of the new generation of Russian military kit precisely down to the shape of the radio unit they all seemed to be wearing in the same place (left upper chest). The most challenging thing about these figures is definetly the Russian digital camo. It is vastly different from US Army ACU's or USMC MARPAT- the pixels are much smaller and the effect from a distance means you can really only make out a green shade- and when it gets wet you can barely discern any pattern at all. I'll dicuss how I went about tackling the pattern in a minute.

Here are a couple of pictures of Russian troops in Ukraine:

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So here are the assembled figures- one had a pair of binoculars but I've left them out of my build. The only things I've added are the weapon slings- a few of the troops seemed to favour both their sling connections on the AK butt instead of the more traditional butt and forestock connection so thats what I am depicting.

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And after some primer:

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The kits also come with very small radio mic booms for speaking into and a small resin wire coil connecting the handset to the earpieces. However, I'm not sure the sculptor has the coil shape correct- I think some of them may have just been a long wire, not a coil. I have some more references to look at for this.

So- to painting. I've done US ACU pattern before and been sort of satisfied at the result. It was painted by hand and it is a real difficult subject to get looking even semi-okay. The US pattern has such a level of clarity and size in its pixelation that the pattern, even in 1/35, is best attempted by hand so the sharp dilineations between colors are captured to some extent. This Russian pattern though, is trickier. The pixels are much smaller and very different to the US ACUs- it is also much more subdued in terms of the color differences- like I said at a distance it appears merely green.

I decided to experiment a little. I chose Russian 4BO Base Green from an old AK set (when Vallejo made their stuff) as my base. It is a very mid-green and gave me a decent place to start so I can darken or fade the uniforms later on.

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Then I took some Ammo by Mig paint, Light Green Khaki from their Russian AFV colors set, gave it a bit of dilution with water on a brush and then used the brush flicked against a steel ruler to spatter the figures and helmets with fine flecks of paint. It turned out better than I expected- it was subtle but didn't completely fade into the base coat. I think it does a decent job of tricking the eye into thinking there is a digital pattern (or a very fine camouflage pattern) on the uniform. The light green khaki I spattered liberally as it seems to be the second largest color in the pattern besides the base color.

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Next color up was a wood or medium tan brown-ish color. I used Andrea Wood and spattered it again only not so liberally as before.

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Then, and most sparingly of all, I spattered Vallejo Black Grey in some areas.

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And here is the other figure and the two heads (I have also now painted their jacket collars in the same digital pattern):

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The figures are, as yet, very far from finished. I am doing some of the detail painting at the minute and will update soon. I have also got some primer on the GAZ itself and will get an update of the last few bits of building it up done soon.

Thanks for reading.




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Here's some pictures of the completed build with the glazing masked off prior to priming.

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Some Tamiya primer on it:

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As I've mentioned a few times I was planning to use Ammo by Mig's recent set of Russian AFV colors. First up was the black for the undercarriage of the vehicle. It was here that things went a little FUBAR. The paint seemed to go funny and I use that word because I have no clue why the paint did what it is doing. Some pics (the black and buff color are the Ammo paints and the green in AK via Vallejo):

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As you can see there is some sort of problem with the black and buff colors- basically when I sprayed it on it kind of receeded- almost like water does on a freshly waxed surface. I fiddled with the air pressure- putting it up and down to no avail- the paint kept messing up. I tried a different airbrush, one that was perfectly clean as I though maybe I had some sort of contaminant in the one I had been using. Still no use- same thing happend. Then I tried another paint- an AK 4BO green I had handy- as you can see it went on perfectly so I ruled out airbrush problems and I had already ruled out compressor problems.

I still don't know what the problem is and can't work out why these paints are behaving that way. I will say they have an awful chalky feeling on my hands and a smell not unlike that of that cheap acrylic you used to have to paint with in art class at school. In short- thats the first and last time I buy Ammo paints.

So back the ever reliable Tamiya. First up was NATO Black for the undercarriage.

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I'm now planning on getting the rest of the paints done. Last time I did a tri-tone Russian camouflage I used Khaki Drab and Deck Tan for the buff and green colors. That was on a T-90 and they were a close match for the actual colors. However, looking at pictures of a GAZ I've been using for reference I see there is a slightly yellow-ish tone to the buff color so I reckon I will add some yellowish color to the Deck Tan. I may also add a bit more of a lighter green paint to the Khaki Drab. Here is the vehicle I am using for reference:

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So, more painting to come and some more work on the figures too!

Thanks for reading.

Edited by Karl187, Jun 25 2014, 05:33 PM.
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Fish-eyes?

There are a few reasons for it, as you've said contamination of the substrate/painted surface/, contamination in the gun or in the air/air hose. I do not think that you would have oil in the air compressor, so drainage of air tank may be on the order of the day - it should be done once in a while anyway.
Unless, there are some fingerprints on the base paint, contamination on the surface is out of question as well, although, did you wash your model before painting? Grease could penetrate the paint...

The other reason, I can think of, is that you are laying down too thick layer or the paints were not stirred properly. Some paints just like mist coat first, before some heavier layers go on.

Ammig paints, are they solvent of waterbased?
Filip . . . .

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Vallejo paints often have a problem wherein the pigment settles at the bottom of the bottle after sitting still for a while. They need to be agitated before use.

Could this have happened to the Ammo paints? It may account for the chalkiness.
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Well initially I thought surface contamination, which would be weird enough considering it was only primed the day before, but the Vallejo went on fine in the same areas with no issues. I also don't have a tank on my compressor- its an Iwata Silverjet. I did, as I said, swap to a freshly cleaned brush and try it with that but I got the same results.

I am also aware of the thickness of the paint issue- that Vallejo 4BO green I tried was very thin, despite shaking it well, and required the usual gentle build up- although most Vallejo Model Air paints tend to need that I find.

Right after it wouldn't work in the clean airbrush I popped the cap off the Ammo paint and used a paint stirrer on it, to see if it had settled in transit as you mentioned Sean. To me it seemed the same consistency throughout even once I had stirred it thoroughly and then given it another shake. This is why the problem has left me stumped. Paint issues are always around the corner with an airbrush- usually one's own fault and not the paint as I've found on many occassions- but this has got me puzzled.
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I use Tamiya only and never had any problems, just stick with proper stuff and avoid strange 'inventions' ;)
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I'm not one for quoting maxims at people- useless blether is what I'd usual call most of that sort of thing. But...for a few reasons I kept remembering the 7 Ps yesterday- Proper Planning and Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance. As maxims/sayings go its not an awful one, and the odd time its probably useful to remember to plan ahead (see, no need for a stupid name for the maxim when it can be summed up more succintly in those two words)...so...eh...what was I on about :shrug: ?

Oh yeah...paint schemes- I didn't plan or prepare to follow a detailed paint scheme for the Russian tri-color camo I wanted to do on this vehicle even though there is one (albeit a parade scheme) included in the box. Oh no, I thought I'd 'wing it' as it were. Forgetting the last time I did this it took bloody ages and nearly destroyed the model...and funnily enough the same thing happend here. I took some of the camo details from the vehicle I've been using as reference- the thing about the parade scheme in the kit instructions is it has a lot more black areas than you usually get on vehicles 'in the field'. Apart from those parade schemes the black areas in this tri-color scheme tend to be grouped in smaller shapes- which is what I wanted to do.

So, off I went with my silly putty and paints and four sessions over four days later I had it done. I would say had I planned ahead or followed the instructions I could have done it quicker than it took and I would have lost less parts to the sticky nether region of the silly putty monster. Thats the terrible thing about silly putty- great at making shapes and leaves no residue but if you apply it too much to small parts it can rip them off- and it will usually rip etch parts off first time so be careful with them if you are using it!

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So what parts did I lose? Both wing mirrors- I have no idea why I decided to glue them on before painting and it wasn't really the silly putty that did them in- the slightest touch bent them and so I then carefully snapped them off and set them aside to be re-glued later. I also lost all four grab handles on the roof hatch- I really should have done these with brass wire in the first place so I've now sorted them out. Also lost a tow hook which I'll sort with wire and an interior handle which was easily sorted with regular glue.

At least the scheme is actually done now and its just a matter of detail painting now which I'm currently getting on with.

I'll have more updates soon.

As always thanks for reading :> !
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With the main camouflage scheme done it was time to move on with the detail painting. There's not a great amount to do on the GAZ- the pioneer tools, front and rear roof light shrouds, winch, window rubber and the tow cable as well as a few other small details here and there. I also gave some areas a very light drybrushing to suggest some wear and tear on the paint- mostly around the wheel wells and areas which would see use and abuse like door frames and the roof hatches etc.

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Then it was onto the first stage of weathering- a dark wash- one for NATO color vehicles from AK that I like because its very dark and I think it suits Russian camo quite well.

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The next stage of weathering will be Oil Paint Rendering for which I use thinner and thus I have to wait a few days for the enamel wash to completely dry so the thinner doesn't affect it.

While I've been waiting for the wash to dry I also made a start on the base. I'm using a simple photo frame from Tesco.

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I wanted the scene raised up a little so I'm currently building the sides up using balsa wood and I then have to map out the scene. As you can see it won't be very big as I want the focus to be on and around the GAZ.

More updates soon!

Thanks for reading.

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That's looking sweet Karl. At least you overcame all the issues and are still progressing. Those future do look the biz too. Don't know how I missed seeing them before.
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That's looking great !
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I'm currently weathering the GAZ itself and will have an update on that soon enough. I just thought I would show some more progress on the two figures I am doing.

After getting the main camo colors on it was time to pick out the various areas of detail. The knee and elbow pads I did in black-grey- some of them were wearing green ones but I reckon that might have been too much green! Boots were painted black-grey too and so were the goggles. The pouch piping was picked out in a dark green and so were the face masks. The helmet straps were painted an olive color and the facial detail was also added. The AK slings were all in a khaki color so thats what I've gone with here.

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Once all the main colors were sorted I wanted to differentiate the colors between the assault vest and the rest of the uniform. In the reference pictures most of the vests appear to be darker in terms of fabric than the rest of the uniform so I did what I call a 'color shift' where I use Windsor and Newton Slow Drying Medium to dilute a paint (dark green in this case) and then apply it in very thin coats. It is weak and barely noticeable t first but it builds with more coats into a translucent finish to give a subtle but noticeable difference without obscuring the camo colors beneath completely.

I also did a color shift using a green olive color on other parts of the uniform (pants, jacket and helmet cover) to give it a more olive green hue as per reference pictures.

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Since these pictures were taken I've managed to get these two finished off and will get another update of them in soon. I also just got another figure- for the GAZ roof hatch which will be the third and final figure in the small scene.

Thanks for reading.

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