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Topic Started: May 13 2015, 09:27 PM (1,314 Views)
Barry
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Just a post to see what everyones feeling on how best to protect competition models at our own show in September.
having been at the IMSS show last weekend I witness some ridiculous treatment of some models..I seen numerous models bumped,nudged,picked up and even a coin dropped on one by a photographer using it for scale other photographers were reaching in over models to take shots with their camera phones and clearly catching other models at the front with straps clothing etc .how the two star wars speeders survived su-day is a credit to how well they were built by their owner..there were no signs anywhere on the tables..
now I know we have signs( I think) but the question is if that's enough.. I can now see Michael's thinking in regards to cases BUT as Pat quite rightly pointed out there would be no room on tables if every model had a case..would it be an idea to have to option of having a case but costing you points in the marking system as judges can't get close.
what about more signs asking not to lean over the tables or further still a small exclusion zone cordoned off between the public and the tables and only judges allowed in this zone..
I know m just ranting and floating ideas but was genuinely concerned for peoples models.. a lot of effort can be damaged very quickly

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As far as I know we haven't had a problem with the public or children before at our Nationals. Over zealous judges picking up models and modellers making room on the table for their own models are a different story. I was a bit circumspect about telling people what to do at the ImSS show but I'll have no problem telling people off in September.
That said I'm open to suggestions about more protective measures
Pat McGrath

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Heil Mickey!
Signs don't work, that's the truth.

It's a balance between getting as close as possible to the models to see the work which went into them and common courtesy and respect to the work carried and time spent on them by modellers.
Photographers and mobile phone reporters must be directed by the staff, I would say.
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I would tend to agree with Pat. We haven't had a particular problem - so far - with the public at our shows. However, I also was quite surprised to see the amount of "handling" of models (or more accurately their bases) by some of the judges at the IMSS show, but - not being an IMSS member - I didn't say or do anything about it.

In relation to modellers moving other models when registrationis going on - that's simply not acceptable and we need to have a couple of volunteers at the competition table to make sure that doesn't happen (it's just for 3 hours on the Saturday morning)....The rules are clear - only the Competition Secretary and his appointees are allowed to move models. So I would fully support you, Pat, in telling people off in September.

On the subject of cases - this was debated before, and we have decided that cases are not generally encouraged. In the case of ships, if there is a model in a case that is not removable for judging, then the model will not be judged. In addition, there is the issue of the amount of space that models with cases take up.

The other issue is photographers and other members of the public. Signs we do have, and I think most reasonable people obey them. Naturally, as Filip says, we need to have somebody on hand to keep an eye. However, it would be difficult to have a barrier, as this significantly reduces the space for circulation...

One way in which we can limit the degree to which photographers "lean over" the competition tables is to ensure that the tables themselves are only one depth thick. I am open to correction here, but I think that the IMSS show competition tables were double depth. At D3, we were tight for space, so had to double up on occasion, but a lot of our competition tables were along a wall and were one depth thick. I am hopeful, with our new venue for D4, that we can have the competition tables in the centre of the room, but one depth thick, with room for the judges to do their judging from the "inside of the square", so to speak.

Philip
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Barry
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Ok all positive and sounds good.I have no problem in volunteering to be on patrol.. is there anyway of Identifying ourselves by lanyard I.d card holders or the such to make us more visible to either lend a hand or deter interference?
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Joseph M

Hi Barry,
A double barrelled shotgun should work! :D
Cheers
Joe M
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Barry
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Ah Joe think of the collateral damage! :)
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Barry
May 14 2015, 12:56 PM
Ok all positive and sounds good.I have no problem in volunteering to be on patrol.. is there anyway of Identifying ourselves by lanyard I.d card holders or the such to make us more visible to either lend a hand or deter interference?
Nic armband should do the trick :D :

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Single depth tables with models spread evenly on those - if possible - should eliminate not only public bending forward over the models in front, but need for judges to handle the model during judging as well.


There's another simple idea:
In general, modellers know how to behave on events like this and they know that one doesn't touch someone else's model unless permitted to do so by the owner.
In general, modellers know, that laces hanging from their hoodies and camera straps as well as loose sleeves and open jackets are deadly for displayed models, unlike general public. Maybe, a few vocal 'how to behave' pointers could be given by the staff on the entrance with paid admission fee?
Filip . . . .

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Barry
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:clap: fise
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Michael M
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Like the band Filip, but it might be difficult to obtain them, they're not exactly politically correct ;) . What Philip wrote at least clarifies case matters ;)
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Parkadge
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It's a model show Filip not a stag party to the Czech republic :adolf:
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Heil Mickey!
You'd get arrested in Czechland for wearing one of those, in Ireland, though, it would make fashion accessory :unsure:
Filip . . . .

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May 14 2015, 01:41 PM
Maybe, a few vocal 'how to behave' pointers could be given by the staff on the entrance with paid admission fee?
Getting back on track....

We want to keep the athmosphere at the door welcoming for all visitors not a case of "thanks for your money now here's what you can and cannot do inside". I think the signs around the place should be sufficient and if we brief all our members assisting in the running of the two days to keep their eyes open and to have a polite word with anyone seen putting builds at risk we shoud be able to avoid any incidents.
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Heil Mickey!
''Thank you for coming and supporting this event, we appreciate your visit, but please, be careful around tables with models as those are very fragile, it takes a lot of time to built those and, yep, they do cost quite a lot of money. Enjoy the show...'', would be more appropriate way of putting it.
I think it's better to put it this way, than shouting and getting into argument with some 'know-it-all-dad' who, unable to grasp the concept of model making, thinks that those are die-cast toys for his 6 yrs old. Trust me, been there quite a few times.

I could tell you a story about one of those, who's 4 yrs old daughter has been told twice to stay away from grabbing models, after she's done it twice, he's been told all of the above about time, money, fragility and so on, only to find him tapping on the wing of my Brisfit with his fingers. Don't ask me why or what he was trying to prove.
The bright side of this story is, that he will hardly ever go and see modelling show again, after I had a word with him
Filip . . . .

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Michael M
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That's why having a case is brilliant, you can knock out the bugger like that without spoiling your model with his blood all over it hahahaha.
Edited by Michael M, May 15 2015, 02:55 PM.
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Barry
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I agree with Filip that maybe a very prominent nicely worded sandwich board type poster at the the pay desk is the way to go..then no need for bloodshed!
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Manxman
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Would it not be possible to include a little do's and don't leaflet with the tickets at the pay desk. You might already do something like that, but as I couldn't make last year I don't really know.
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