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| Joseph M | Jun 6 2017, 11:00 PM Post #1 |
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Hi Guys, This will be my first choice in this GB. I purchased from Mike Kiernan recently at one of the Dublin meetings. I do hope to get at least one more done before the GB ends in six months time. Cheers Joe M Stick & String Rule O.K. ![]()
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On the bench in order of nearest to completion; A Z Models 1/72 Morane "WR". (Schneider race entry from 1914). K P Models 1/72 Avia BH-3 SRAM Models 1/144 SIA 7-B (Resin) Valom Models 1144 A pair of Sopwith Pups MSD Models 1/72 Vickers Vimy 66 Commercial Revell 1/72 Fokker D.VII conversion to a two seater Curtiss Condor (added 24/4/18) 1/81 Ansaldo S.V.A 9 (added 24/4/18) ![]() ![]() | |
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| Joseph M | Jun 13 2017, 10:00 PM Post #2 |
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A bit of info on the Curtiss Hawk II. The Hawk II was a member of the ubiquitous Curtis Hawk family that provided sterling service to both the US Army and Navy, plus several export customers (it was in fact the only Hawk version to be exported in quantity). The Hawk II was essentially an export version of the XFIIC-2 with a Wright R1820-F3 Cyclone engine. The Curtiss Hawk II (or Goshawk) was an export version of the Hawk biplane fighter that sold in significant numbers, as well as being the basis for the Navy's F11C Hawk. The Hawk II was developed from the P-6E. It was given a single-strut cantilever undercarriage and was powered by a Wright Cyclone radial engine, replacing the Curtiss Conqueror inline engine of the P-6E. One Hawk II demonstrator was sold the US Navy, where it became the XF11C-2. This aircraft competed against the XF11C-1, which was a similar Curtiss aircraft but with all-metal construction in place of the mixed construction of the Hawk II/ XF11C-2. The Navy preferred the mixed construction of the XF11C-2 and ordered it into production as the F11C-2. Their apparent conservatism would be justified later when the metal wings of the BF2C-1 (a redesignated version of the F11C) caused great problems. The Hawk II went on sale in 1932 and immediately gained customers. Turkey was the first customer, buying nineteen aircraft that were delivered in August-September 1932. Bolivia also received the first of its eventual twenty-six Hawk IIs late in 1932, although the last wasn't delivered until July 1934. These aircraft were used as float planes. Most sales came during 1933. China was the biggest customer, buying fifty. Bolivia ordered nine, with the first appearing late in 1933. Cuba bought four during the year, Perhaps the most significant of the Hawk IIs were the pair bought by the German Air Ministry in 1933 at the bidding of Ernst Udet. He had seen the Gulfhawk I demonstrate dive-bombing at the National Air Races and decided to investigate the technique in Germany. The first German Hawk was delivered early in 1934, and the two aircraft were used to help prove that dive bombing was an effective method of attack. After 1933 sales of the Hawk II fell away. Thailand ordered twelve during 1934 and Chile bought four in 1935 (building more in Chile). By then Curtiss has sold a total of 127 Model 35 Hawk IIs. Curtiss also sold a single Model 47 Hawk II, which was an improved aircraft that had originally been built as a company demonstrator. This aircraft was sold to Norway in July 1934. Bolivia purchased 9 between December 1933-June 1934 Chile purchased 4 in January 1935 China purchased 50 between March-September 1933 Colombia 26 between October 1932-March 1934 Cuba purchased 4 in January 1933 Germany purchased 2 in October 1933 Thailand 12 between August-September 1934 Turkey 19 between August-September 1934 Re the Cuban Hawks. Len Povey, a self taught pilot, who was one of the first enlisted pilots in the US Army Air Force in 1922. He was instrumental in the building of Cuba's Air Force, and took this aircraft to the 1936 Air Show in Miami, where he invented the famous aerobatic manoeuvre, The Cuban Eight, by accident. While performing for the trophy, he decided to do a triple Avalanche, which is three snap rolls at the top of a loop. At the top of the loop. Len saw that he had too high an entry speed for the snap, so he rode over the top. Coming down the other side, he did a half-roll and pulled up into another loop, again half-rolling on the down side before pulling out. The new manoeuvre was a hit with the crowd, and when Povey was asked by the press what he had done, he replied without thought that it was a “Cuban eight”. The manoeuvre exists to this day and is performed by aerobatic teams around the world. This information on Len Povey came from an article by Chris Peachment on modelling the Hawk in Cuban display colours. Service Record The Hawk II was used in combat by Bolivia, China and Thailand and possibly by Peru. Bolivia ordered eight Hawk IIs and three Sea Hawk IIs, but only nine of these eleven aircraft were delivered before an arms embargo imposed after the outbreak of the Chaco War. The first four were delivered on 19 December 1932. Two more arrived on 3 -4 August 1933 and the only Sea Hawk to arrive was delivered on 18 June 1934. The last two Hawk IIs were delivered on 18 July 1934. The last two Sea Hawks were seized by US Customs officials. The Sea Hawks were set up to use floats or wheels, but in service all nine aircraft were used with wheels. These aircraft thus arrived during the second half of the period of open hostility between Bolivia and Paraguay, but fairly soon after the start of the most intense period of conflict in 193, with the last aircraft arriving towards the end of the conflict. The Bolivians used their Hawk IIs in a wide range of roles, but mainly to provide ground support (carrying under-wing bombs) and reconnaissance. There was some air-to-air combat, but it wasn’t their primary role. The first Hawk was probably engaged in combat in January 1933, and the aircraft were in near-constant action from then until the end of the war. Only one, the first to be delivered, was lost to enemy action (on 26 December 1934). The Hawk also claimed one aerial victory, when two Hawks shot down a Paraguayan Potez 25 on 11 December 1934. Five of the nine Hawk IIs survived the war. They performed an aerobatic performance in Peru during 1937 and were still officially on hand in March 1943. Although no Hawk IIs were officially produced for Peru, at least three reached that country. Two of them might have been the Bolivian Sea Hawks that were seized before they could be delivered, although they may have been some of the four aircraft ordered by Chile. Some of these aircraft were used against Columbia during the Leticia Incident of 1932-33, supporting the idea that they came from Chile (the Bolivian aircraft would have arrived too late). China & Japan, Siamese/Thai Hawks fought against the French in Indochina, and for one day against the Japanese prior to a cease-fire being agreed. Most of this information came from Rickard, J (14 January 2013), Curtiss Hawk II or Goshawk , http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_curtiss_hawk_II.html Looking forward to getting stuck into this one. Cheers Joe M Stick & String Rule O.K Edited by Joseph M, Jun 13 2017, 10:12 PM.
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On the bench in order of nearest to completion; A Z Models 1/72 Morane "WR". (Schneider race entry from 1914). K P Models 1/72 Avia BH-3 SRAM Models 1/144 SIA 7-B (Resin) Valom Models 1144 A pair of Sopwith Pups MSD Models 1/72 Vickers Vimy 66 Commercial Revell 1/72 Fokker D.VII conversion to a two seater Curtiss Condor (added 24/4/18) 1/81 Ansaldo S.V.A 9 (added 24/4/18) ![]() ![]() | |
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| Joseph M | Jun 13 2017, 11:39 PM Post #3 |
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Some Photo's of the content of the kit. All the main parts or on one sprue with the extra floats and associated struts on the second sprue. Resin parts and photo etched look pretty good. The plastic is softish with a little flash on some parts. Decals supplied with an option of four different countries. OK lets be seeing some action on the GB. Cheers Joe M Stick & String Rule O.K. Edited by Joseph M, Aug 8 2017, 11:04 PM.
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On the bench in order of nearest to completion; A Z Models 1/72 Morane "WR". (Schneider race entry from 1914). K P Models 1/72 Avia BH-3 SRAM Models 1/144 SIA 7-B (Resin) Valom Models 1144 A pair of Sopwith Pups MSD Models 1/72 Vickers Vimy 66 Commercial Revell 1/72 Fokker D.VII conversion to a two seater Curtiss Condor (added 24/4/18) 1/81 Ansaldo S.V.A 9 (added 24/4/18) ![]() ![]() | |
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| Joseph M | Jun 17 2017, 11:22 AM Post #4 |
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Hi Guys, A little progress to report. Gave everything a blast with 'Skull White' from a rattle can. Sprayed the interior with airframe silver. And a little work on the floats. Cheers Joe M Stick & String Rule O.K. Edited by Joseph M, Aug 8 2017, 11:05 PM.
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On the bench in order of nearest to completion; A Z Models 1/72 Morane "WR". (Schneider race entry from 1914). K P Models 1/72 Avia BH-3 SRAM Models 1/144 SIA 7-B (Resin) Valom Models 1144 A pair of Sopwith Pups MSD Models 1/72 Vickers Vimy 66 Commercial Revell 1/72 Fokker D.VII conversion to a two seater Curtiss Condor (added 24/4/18) 1/81 Ansaldo S.V.A 9 (added 24/4/18) ![]() ![]() | |
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| Joseph M | Aug 7 2017, 11:57 PM Post #5 |
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The model is progressing nicely with the fuselage and lower wings, rudder and tail planes in place. Upper wing has been sprayed with Hobby Colour H329 Chrome yellow which seemingly = FS13538 which is supposed to be the correct colour. Sprayed it on over a base coat of Tamiya Flat white and it worked OK. Have started to assemble the float assembly, tricky! Will post some photos once I sort out a new provider in place of Photo bucket. Cheers Joe M Stick & String Rule. O.K. Edited by Joseph M, Aug 7 2017, 11:57 PM.
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On the bench in order of nearest to completion; A Z Models 1/72 Morane "WR". (Schneider race entry from 1914). K P Models 1/72 Avia BH-3 SRAM Models 1/144 SIA 7-B (Resin) Valom Models 1144 A pair of Sopwith Pups MSD Models 1/72 Vickers Vimy 66 Commercial Revell 1/72 Fokker D.VII conversion to a two seater Curtiss Condor (added 24/4/18) 1/81 Ansaldo S.V.A 9 (added 24/4/18) ![]() ![]() | |
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| Joseph M | Aug 8 2017, 10:45 PM Post #6 |
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Way Hey Thanks Pat, followed your advice re posting from Flickr, worked like a dream. The main fuselage requires a bit of sanding and fiddling to get the wing to fit underneath the fuselage. A bit of filling and sanding required. Nice cockpit interior, will have to post some Photo's at a later time. The Peruvian floatplane version has Chrome yellow (FS 13538) on the upper and lower wings and most or the tail assembly. Purchased the exact colour (Mr Hobby) from Brian in the Hobby Den in Kildare town. The fuselage is an olive shade of green and the float assembly a silver / aluminium. Upper wing was originally sprayed Tamiya flat white followed by about 4/5 coats of light chrome yellow. A bit more sanding required on the fuselage followed by the Tamiya white and then the chrome yellow. IMG_20170807_181953 by Joseph Moran, on FlickrCheers Joe M Looks like Stick & String Rule O.K. Edited by Joseph M, Aug 8 2017, 11:02 PM.
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On the bench in order of nearest to completion; A Z Models 1/72 Morane "WR". (Schneider race entry from 1914). K P Models 1/72 Avia BH-3 SRAM Models 1/144 SIA 7-B (Resin) Valom Models 1144 A pair of Sopwith Pups MSD Models 1/72 Vickers Vimy 66 Commercial Revell 1/72 Fokker D.VII conversion to a two seater Curtiss Condor (added 24/4/18) 1/81 Ansaldo S.V.A 9 (added 24/4/18) ![]() ![]() | |
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| fs2005 | Aug 8 2017, 10:49 PM Post #7 |
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I see same pic twice , one big and one small ( 'thumbnail') EDIT Now 2 big 1 small Edited by fs2005, Aug 8 2017, 10:50 PM.
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| Joseph M | Aug 8 2017, 11:04 PM Post #8 |
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Thanks John, Was experimenting as I did not know what size to use on Flickr. See above. Cheers Joe M |
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On the bench in order of nearest to completion; A Z Models 1/72 Morane "WR". (Schneider race entry from 1914). K P Models 1/72 Avia BH-3 SRAM Models 1/144 SIA 7-B (Resin) Valom Models 1144 A pair of Sopwith Pups MSD Models 1/72 Vickers Vimy 66 Commercial Revell 1/72 Fokker D.VII conversion to a two seater Curtiss Condor (added 24/4/18) 1/81 Ansaldo S.V.A 9 (added 24/4/18) ![]() ![]() | |
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| fs2005 | Aug 8 2017, 11:47 PM Post #9 |
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Grand now |
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| Prenton | Aug 9 2017, 09:00 AM Post #10 |
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Joe - all the old ones are gone. Are you going to re-install them to flickr and post them up? Philip |
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| Parkadge | Aug 9 2017, 09:11 AM Post #11 |
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you nailed it, the 600x 800 is perfect for forums That Chrome yellow is going to look stunning |
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| Joseph M | Aug 9 2017, 10:46 PM Post #12 |
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I don't know Philip, if I have the time I may repost some of them. Will definitely repost some of the 1/144 Valom Eindeckewr and the Shavrov Sh2. Basically the ones I finished this year. Cheers Joe M Edited by Joseph M, Aug 9 2017, 10:50 PM.
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On the bench in order of nearest to completion; A Z Models 1/72 Morane "WR". (Schneider race entry from 1914). K P Models 1/72 Avia BH-3 SRAM Models 1/144 SIA 7-B (Resin) Valom Models 1144 A pair of Sopwith Pups MSD Models 1/72 Vickers Vimy 66 Commercial Revell 1/72 Fokker D.VII conversion to a two seater Curtiss Condor (added 24/4/18) 1/81 Ansaldo S.V.A 9 (added 24/4/18) ![]() ![]() | |
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| Joseph M | Aug 25 2017, 10:04 PM Post #13 |
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Hi Guys A little further down the road.! The flash didn't do the colour any good. Its the yellow from the previous picture. IMG_20170814_221250 by Joseph Moran, on FlickrCheers Joe M Stick & String Rule O.K. Edited by Joseph M, Sep 5 2017, 10:44 PM.
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On the bench in order of nearest to completion; A Z Models 1/72 Morane "WR". (Schneider race entry from 1914). K P Models 1/72 Avia BH-3 SRAM Models 1/144 SIA 7-B (Resin) Valom Models 1144 A pair of Sopwith Pups MSD Models 1/72 Vickers Vimy 66 Commercial Revell 1/72 Fokker D.VII conversion to a two seater Curtiss Condor (added 24/4/18) 1/81 Ansaldo S.V.A 9 (added 24/4/18) ![]() ![]() | |
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| Joseph M | Sep 5 2017, 10:42 PM Post #14 |
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Hi Guys, When un-wrapping by chrysalis I thought that a beautiful Hawk would emerge. Unfortunately a tail feather fell off and I missed masking one place. Shit happens!!!! IMG_20170904_224809 by Joseph Moran, on Flickr IMG_20170904_224818 by Joseph Moran, on Flickr IMG_20170904_232424 by Joseph Moran, on Flickr IMG_20170904_232437 by Joseph Moran, on FlickrWing just resting on top of the fuselage, this is something like what it will eventually look like when it grows up into a Hark. IMG_20170904_232603 by Joseph Moran, on FlickrCheers Joe M Stick & String Rule O.K. Edited by Joseph M, Sep 5 2017, 10:42 PM.
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On the bench in order of nearest to completion; A Z Models 1/72 Morane "WR". (Schneider race entry from 1914). K P Models 1/72 Avia BH-3 SRAM Models 1/144 SIA 7-B (Resin) Valom Models 1144 A pair of Sopwith Pups MSD Models 1/72 Vickers Vimy 66 Commercial Revell 1/72 Fokker D.VII conversion to a two seater Curtiss Condor (added 24/4/18) 1/81 Ansaldo S.V.A 9 (added 24/4/18) ![]() ![]() | |
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| Mick_Keenan | Sep 6 2017, 04:13 PM Post #15 |
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Looks goods, Joe. |
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| Joseph M | Sep 15 2017, 11:27 PM Post #16 |
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More Shit happens!!!!! Was progressing nicely. Left the upper wing in place over night, held in position by a couple of boxes. Removed the boxes this morning and all was perfect, the upper wing seems to be really firm and in place. Went off to work a happy bunny, major job done. Don't know what happened, O.K. I know that the upper wing is a heavy piece but I really thought that all was in order. Came home this evening to this! Well the language was choice! IMG_20170915_183621 by Joseph Moran, on FlickrThere was only one thing to do! IMG_20170915_183655 by Joseph Moran, on FlickrTake it apart and start again, but not right now. See you tomorrow at the Dublin meeting. Cheers Joe M Stick & String Rule O.K. |
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On the bench in order of nearest to completion; A Z Models 1/72 Morane "WR". (Schneider race entry from 1914). K P Models 1/72 Avia BH-3 SRAM Models 1/144 SIA 7-B (Resin) Valom Models 1144 A pair of Sopwith Pups MSD Models 1/72 Vickers Vimy 66 Commercial Revell 1/72 Fokker D.VII conversion to a two seater Curtiss Condor (added 24/4/18) 1/81 Ansaldo S.V.A 9 (added 24/4/18) ![]() ![]() | |
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| Joseph M | Sep 22 2017, 08:42 PM Post #17 |
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After the disaster in the last post rather than immediately going back to the fitting of the upper wing I decided to so some work on the engine. Once I had my MoJo back I tackled the upper wing again. This time super glue was used to position all the struts at the correct angle. Finished engine with etch from kit added. IMG_20170919_223153 by Joseph Moran, on FlickrFinished of the session and was reasonably happy. IMG_20170921_224550 by Joseph Moran, on FlickrToday I concentrated on getting the upper wing in position. After a lot of huffing and puffing I was reasonably happy. Still some touch up paint work to do. In the first photo the wing looks a bit crooked but trust me its not. IMG_20170922_164219 by Joseph Moran, on FlickrThe second photo shows the angle that the main struts are at and this probably explains why ordinary glue did not hold it in place and allowed the collapse that can be seen in the previous post. Also the top wing is a solid piece of plastic and is quite heavy! IMG_20170922_164242 by Joseph Moran, on FlickrFinal photo shows what its kinda going to look like when its up on the floats. At the moment its only resting there. But this is another days work. IMG_20170922_164318 by Joseph Moran, on FlickrThanks for looking. Cheers Joe M Stick & String Rule O.K. |
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On the bench in order of nearest to completion; A Z Models 1/72 Morane "WR". (Schneider race entry from 1914). K P Models 1/72 Avia BH-3 SRAM Models 1/144 SIA 7-B (Resin) Valom Models 1144 A pair of Sopwith Pups MSD Models 1/72 Vickers Vimy 66 Commercial Revell 1/72 Fokker D.VII conversion to a two seater Curtiss Condor (added 24/4/18) 1/81 Ansaldo S.V.A 9 (added 24/4/18) ![]() ![]() | |
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| Marklo | Sep 22 2017, 10:31 PM Post #18 |
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It does look like it’s going to be pretty sharp when it’s done. Upper wings on biplanes can be a nightmare. With the exception of the odd heinkel 51, I’d normally only do WWI types so the wings are lighter, but I’d still find myself having to break out the superglue and it still took a few runs of glue, manipulate, glue on my recent Spad build ( this probably wasn’t helped by deciding in my infinite wisdom (ahem) to replace the kit wings with a scratch built set, oh well....)
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| Mick_Keenan | Sep 23 2017, 09:21 PM Post #19 |
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Looks like you definitely overcame that wing collapse, Joe. Still looks top notch. |
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| Prenton | Sep 24 2017, 03:00 PM Post #20 |
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Nice save, there, Joe! Philip |
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