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The IPMS Ireland Nationals 2013; D2: Now with Competition Results!
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Well folks, the information is now up on the website, the posters and leaflets are ready for distribution and things are moving ahead at a nice pace. You can download a PDF copy of the poster from the Events page on the website if you wish to do a little distribution yourself.

Information regarding the competition rules, classes and awards are forthcoming. The committee spent a very busy meeting in February deciding which classes needed to be amalgamated in order to both streamline the competition and costs.

Any comments, queries and such should be posted here. :>
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Thanks, Sean, for putting up this information on the website. All of the posters and fliers refer to the website, as does the qrcode.


A big thank you to Ken McFarlane, who has designed the poster (and the D2 logo of course, as he did for D1).
It is a very eye-catching poster, and the photos make it clear that we make models in various genres....

Ken is also our link with Revell, who have agreed to support the event - hence their logo on the poster.

Marks Models have confirmed their attendance as a trader, and we have agreed to put up their logo there also.

We have also confirmed Paul Walsh's shop as a trader, but Paul doesn't have a logo!


And of course particular thanks to Paul Hurley (aka Paul Kolbe), who is sponsoring the entire cost of the hotel booking
for the event, which is why his logo is prominently displayed on the poster.


As Sean says, we will have the competition rules and classes finalised and proofed in the next week or so, and they will also be
added to the website.

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Heil Mickey!
I had a word with our CEO and we'll be sponsoring 'The Best Finish' award again.

Just a one thing, though, the name of the company is 'The Mad Clown Design Industry' - which hasn't been written quite right in the past... It's not a major disaster, but according to Elvis manager, who apparently said: 'write what you want, just make sure the name is right...' I would appreciate if this could be looked at.

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Apr 12 2013, 02:38 PM
I had a word with our CEO and we'll be sponsoring 'The Best Finish' award again.

Just a one thing, though, the name of the company is 'The Mad Clown Design Industry' - which hasn't been written quite right in the past... It's not a major disaster, but according to Elvis manager, who apparently said: 'write what you want, just make sure the name is right...' I would appreciate if this could be looked at.

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Filip

No problem - thanks for the info. I'll make sure that it's done correctly.

Thanks for sponsoring the award once again. :>

Philip
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Another Trader Confirmed

As folks will be aware, our local model shops - that is Paul Walsh / Dublin Model Shop and Marks Models - will be exhibiting as traders at D2.
We have also been promised Irish Transport Books as a trader.

However, we have been looking for more traders.

I am therefore delighted to be able to announce the confirmation of attendance from a UK specialist model supplier - Kingfisher Miniatures.

Here is their website:-

http://www.kingfisherminiatures.co.uk/

Some very nice stuff there!

The hunt is on for more traders, so hopefully there will be further announcements in the coming months.

(If anyone reading this knows of traders that they would like to see coming, please do not hesitate to send me an e-mail - to philipprenton[at]eircom[dot]net - and I'll be happy to contact them)

Philip

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D2 Competition Rules and Classes

The rules for the D2 Model Competition, and the revised Classes and Awards are now up on the new website. They can be found here:-

http://www.ipmsireland.com/Events.html

As a result of careful consideration by the Committee of the results of the past competitions, it was quite obvious that some of the classes had few, if any, entries on a consistent basis. In addition, the cost of all of the medals and trophies is a considerable proportion of the cost of each of the Nationals. Accordingly, the decision was made to remove some classes and amalgamate others. There are now 30 classes in the competition - where there had been 40 previously - and there are now 6 awards - reduced from 8.

Another key change is rule 16, which states:-

"In classes with more than three entries, a Gold Silver and Bronze may be awarded, but in addition, commendations may be awarded at the discretion of the judges. Conversely, entries are expected to be of a sufficiently high standard to merit the award of a prize, so that even if there are only two entries in any given class, no prize will be awarded if neither entry is deemed sufficiently meritorious by the judges."

This arose as a result of feedback from judges in the past two years, where some entries were of a poor standard. The rules do, however, now include some guidance on what is expected.

The other significant change is in the timings. Registration on the Saturday will, as before, begin at 10 am and will finish at 1 pm. Judging will take place after this, and it is envisaged will be completed by the end of the day on Saturday. However, the Awards ceremony will take place at 12 noon on the Sunday, rather than after lunch, as had been the case in the past. This means that competition models can be removed by 2.30pm that day, in order to facilitate competition entrants from outside the Capital getting home at a reasonable time.

Any queries on the rules and classes can be addressed to Steve Culliton, the Competition Secretary, whose e-mail address is on the contacts page of the website.

Philip

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Heil Mickey!
Just reading again through the changes as outlined in the Philip's last post and wonder if it is wise to run and finish the show, basically, only after 4 hours?
Not all of the entries will be on the tables before 1PM and, I presume, the area will be closed for judging, which means that some visitors may not get a proper chance to see a thing on big part of Saturday, even though they will be required to pay entrance fee.
Furthermore, if the award ceremony starts at noon on Sunday and will be finished, say, at 1 - 1.30 PM. That would mean that models will be gone straight afterwards, as is the custom on similar shows. Even if some of them will remain on the tables till 2.30, the poster time says that the show will finish at 3PM on Sunday...

I am not trying to be smartarse here, just thinking out loud and wondering if there is a need to look at the event timeline again taking into consideration interests of traders, who will try to get as much turnover as possible from those few hours as well as paying visitors who would like to see as much as they can.

Speaking as the travelling visitor, personally, I have no issues with the show finishing at 3.30 - 4PM. Plenty of time to get back home in reasonable time.
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Aug 16 2013, 05:45 PM
Just reading again through the changes as outlined in the Philip's last post and wonder if it is wise to run and finish the show, basically, only after 4 hours?
Not all of the entries will be on the tables before 1PM and, I presume, the area will be closed for judging, which means that some visitors may not get a proper chance to see a thing on big part of Saturday, even though they will be required to pay entrance fee.
Furthermore, if the award ceremony starts at noon on Sunday and will be finished, say, at 1 - 1.30 PM. That would mean that models will be gone straight afterwards, as is the custom on similar shows. Even if some of them will remain on the tables till 2.30, the poster time says that the show will finish at 3PM on Sunday...

I am not trying to be smartarse here, just thinking out loud and wondering if there is a need to look at the event timeline again taking into consideration interests of traders, who will try to get as much turnover as possible from those few hours as well as paying visitors who would like to see as much as they can.

Speaking as the travelling visitor, personally, I have no issues with the show finishing at 3.30 - 4PM. Plenty of time to get back home in reasonable time.
Filip

No need to worry. The show is on for two days, not one, and the show is a lot more than a competition - the traders will be there for all of Saturday and up till 3 pm on the Sunday, and there are club tables to look at too, and the kitswop. There will be lots for Joe Public to see....It is a much more than simply the competition entries. And all of the entries will have to be on the competition tables by 1 pm on the Saturday - see the rules.

The traders are happy to come, and are well aware of the hours involved. They will not be selling "for those few hours", but for all of Saturday and up to 3 pm on Sunday. We are not running and finishing the show, basically, only after four hours, as you state.

And I don't think the entrance fee for the "paying visitors" is bad value - €3 is a modest fee for what is planned.

The times for D2 are designed to facilitate people from outside Dublin who want to get home at a reasonable hour. That is why we are having the awards ceremony at noon. It also means that the judging will have to finish by Saturday evening - as did not happen last year, when the judges were still at it on Sunday morning (I know, I was one of them!). While you personally may be happy to go on till 4 pm, that would not suit everyone, including our UK visitors, who will have a ferry to catch. They also will have entries in the competition, and it is unfair to them to have to miss the awards ceremony, as happened to a number of them in Cork in 2010 and in Swords in 2011.

Anyhow, the matter is long since decided and the times are fixed. All of our advertising, including flyers, notices in the IPMS mag, on websites and our large poster all have the times of the two days and it is far too late for any changes at this stage (even if I thought it was necessary, which I don't.) All of the arrangements for D2, including the times, were agreed in advance with the Committee before they were announced.

Philip



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Personally, I think having the awards ceremony earlier is a good idea- I don't think there will be such a rush to get models packed up and away afterward because its finished early- if the awards were handed out at 3 or so people probably would want to get their stuff packed up quick, whereas if its earlier in the day they might not be in such a hurry and could stick around for a while after.
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Might be worth getting some of these Good signs printed for the competition table. :P This is from the IPMS/USA Nationals
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Pat,
Like the sign but the Bofors in front looks intriguing.
Manned (Nunned?) by the Clergy?
The Church Militant indeed!
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This is probably one for the Committee but since it's D2 stuff, thought here might be the place for it...

Just wondering if like the IMSS show earlier this year (where we gave out magazines), could we do something similar on the club table at the Nationals to interest younger entrants in the hobby? I was at the Train Exhibition in Dun Laoghaire last Sunday with my two sons who are 5 & 8. As we toured the displays and vendors, I overheard two older exhibitors say "I wonder will those fellas be interested in model trains in 20 years time?"

There were a lot of Dads, like me, at the show with their sons and daughters. And while it was enjoyable for me and many other adults, I'm sure it got a little boring for many of the kids because it was all look at but don't touch..obviously.

Except for one display that was there to get kids interested in trains. Kids could shunt freight cars up and down a single line with three different sidings and working points. Fantastic. There were kids queuing up to have a go and all of them went away with a huge smile on their face. And a piece of paper to say they had done it.

Now I know full well that scale modelling isn't exactly something you can pick up and play with like a toy electric train. (though my lads have tried before!) ^o)

But even something as simple as a kit raffle just for kids on our Club table (basic starter kit with glue, brush and paints) or the magazine giveaway might be a start. I'd happily donate a starter kit and some magazines for the weekend. I know we probably don't have the time or resources of James May and his Airifx Toy stories but I'm sure there are other things we could do to get those younger, inquisitive minds interested in the hobby?

What do people think?

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Hi Dermot and the rest ,
Great idea, I think they call it a "make and take" , a table, kits, tools and paints are made available to kids. They choose a kit and build it (with help) on the spot and bring it home. I have seen this done at a number of shows and it always goes down a treat.
In one instance Revell sponsorsed the entire thing. There is only one make to make the hobby interesting for kids and that is to get them building.
I have a 5 and 3 year old and they are very quickly building their way through the dregs of my stash.

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Giving away some Starter kits is one thing and a good idea but if we set up a table with tools, including knives, we'll have to have one or two people supervising the table over the weekend and because they're working with children they'll undoubtedly have to be vetted by the Gardaí first.
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Heil Mickey!
I think, that the Garda clearence does not apply to one-off event. Nevertheless, there could be issues with insurance, health and safety and so on...
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Folks

Yes, Brian et al, it's a good idea. Indeed, we looked into the "make and take" option in some detail for D1. Unfortunately, it DOES need Garda clearance, even on a once-off basis, and that is both (a) time consuming - can take up to four months just to get an answer and (b) costly (there's a fee, per person). There are also insurance issues. SWMBO is involved in the Girl Guides and the whole thing is a bit of a nightmare to organise. Not something that is easy to contemplate, and - in any event - you would need to have a year's lead in even to be sure it was possible.

However, I like the idea of giving away stuff to kids - I will have an e-mail chat with the Committee and see if we can arrange to get some "starter" kits as either give-aways or a draw for kids.....Certainly, if anyone has mags that they don't need, then let me know, and we can certainly hand these out at the club table.

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Soon we'll need Garda clearance just to talk to a child ... should I wonder why we are sitting in a handcart and where we are actually going? :bonk:
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Heil Mickey!
My wrong on the Garda stuff, it's been awhile since I was involved with kiddies...

I didn't have a proper time in the morning to go into something more elaborate, so my 2c are here:

- the 1st thing is, that it's not the kids themselves, but their parents. If parents are supportive and enthusiastic about this hobby then they will try to get their kids involved. Then it's up to every and each individual youngster if the bug bites or not. How many times I've heard from the parent mouth: '..it's only a toy...and you need skills and special tools for it...you'd never do it...' and similar remarks during some shows. In a couple of occasions the father literally dragged his son away from our Branch table to push some die-cast hay-mover onto him.
Nothing bad with Massey-Ferguson fans, just this scene illustrates the whole problematic.

- We have to think how to promote this hobby between younger generation. Can we get in touch with schools, colleges and youth clubs to let them know about this event?
- How can we make this event more attractive to the younger and beginning modeller?

I am a big believer that competitions should be about gaining experience and new ideas rather than about winning prizes. And again, one life example, how many times have I heard: 'I am not good enough to put my model on the table.' and ' I wouldn't win anything anyway so what's the point?'
Maybe that if we shift the focus to the experience gaining aspects we might get more people exhibiting on the competition table, both young and beginners.

- And, just thinking as I am writing, if we will manage to get one kit to every entrant in the junior category as a gesture of support for their hobby and as an award for their work and courage. It may not be as spectacular as 'make and take', but it could be more productive from the long term perspective.
- And lastly, I have touched it a while ago, we can have 2 or 3 tables with various demos going through the day to show the punter how it is done.
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